The five-year quest to remove all nuclear weapons from Metal Gear Solid V (2024)

Peace in our time —

And why some players think disarmament will unlock long-hidden new content.

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Further Reading

The worldwide effort to disarm Metal Gear Solid V’s nuclear weapons

Nearly five years have passed since Konami started Metal Gear Solid V's nuclear-disarmament metagame, tasking the game's community with removing every single nuclear weapon created by players on the game's servers. This week, players on the PS3 version of MGSV seemed to reach that long-sought goal, unlocking a cut scene congratulating them on a day that character Master Miller says he "thought... would never come."

Now, the excited players behind the disarmament are waiting to see if Konami will officially acknowledge their achievement and perhaps unlock some long-hinted-at new content for the five-year-old game.

The long push for peace

Organized MGSV nuclear-disarmament efforts have been going in fits and starts for years, first via the now-defunct Metal Gear Philanthropy subreddit and more recently in the MetalGearAntiNuclear subreddit. There, players would join together to discuss raiding the Forward Operating Bases of nuclear-armed opponents on MGSV's online servers in order to steal and then disarm those weapons to lower the total worldwide count.

But interest from disarmers has been sporadic, and the effort has faced sustained opposition from self-interested players who are encouraged to create nuclear weapons as a form of in-game protection and deterrence. Both Konami's official counts (which the company stopped publicly updating years ago) and unofficial counts via a GitHub server scraper show historical disarming progress either long-stalled or actively going backward over time, depending on the platform and server (the PS4 and Steam versions of the game are still far from full disarmament as of this writing).

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"I think most people just kind of gave up and the fun had been sucked out of it after such a long time," player and indie VR game dev Stefferp told Ars over Discord. "I think the whole thing is a big missed opportunity, people were really into this nuke 'minigame' in 2015, but Konami's interest in it dwindled over time and were very reluctant to talk about it eventually."

Getting the band together

The latest sprint down to full disarmament on the PS3 started back in March, when Reddit user TheHungHorse used the coronavirus quarantine as an excuse to start a Discord server organizing a serious push among dedicated players. "At first, nothing got done because we simply didn't have the numbers. But slowly, our numbers grew to 60, 70... It was heartwarming to have everyone come together for this goal. Me and a few other members actually bought a PS3 copy [of Metal Gear Solid V] just to help out."

Eventually, 20 or so hardcore disarmers started a group direct-message chain to coordinate their efforts and schedules. "We all disarmed at the same time during this past month so we wouldn't have to worry about people bringing the numbers back up to what they used to be," TheHungHorse said.

"This time it was like a 'right, let's just get this done' mentality, maybe because the game is nearing its fifth anniversary," Stefferp told Ars. "Teaming up brought that fun back, I suppose."

Thanks to the group's coordination, initial progress was quick, with PS3 nuke counts dropping from over 800 on July 10 to below 100 in under a week, according to the GitHub scraper. At that point, though, the group ran into what TheHungHorse suspects were hackers determined to keep the nuke count high.

"Sometimes we'd get the number to 40 just for it to immediately go back to 60," he said. "So all in all it was a lot of patience and trial and error. Considering we don't have access to those tools used against us, it's really a miracle that we made it down to zero."

Hackers aside, normal players also caused headaches for the disarmers. "I was... surprised by how active the PS3 player base still is," Stefferp said. "We figured taking the nukes would be easy but people would retaliate all the time [striking back against the player who had stolen their nuclear weapon]. It's an old console but it's still in use by quite a few people. I think that's pretty cool... 2006 hardware but still not irrelevant."

The disarming group was also faced with a set of "invincible nukes" apparently caused by an error in the game's server code. These weapons show up on the server as owned by players who don't have a Forward Operating Base—a logical impossibility that also prevents others from stealing and disarming the phantom weapons.

"My personal theory is those people had nukes, and then reset their save data, which resets your FOB back to zero," Stefferp tells Ars (this, Stefferp suspects, is why the GitHub nuke counter has still never shown a full "drop to zero" moment).

Waiting for confirmation

Phantom nukes or not, the disarmament group was surprised to find its efforts rewarded this week with the activation of a cut scene announcing full disarmament. "We knew we had gotten close on the day it happened, but we didn't think we'd actually do it," TheHungHorse said.

Konami, for its part, hasn't quite confirmed the community's victory just yet. "A nuclear abolition event has occurred in PS3 version of MGSV:TPP from July 28, Japan time, but we are currently investigating this matter," the official Japanese Metal Gear account tweeted earlier this morning.

Further Reading

Konami apologizes for announcing nuclear disarmament (in Metal Gear Solid V)

That investigation may be warranted before players celebrate too much. That's because previous activations of the "full disarmament" cut scene were later judged to be false alarms—once for PC players in early 2018 and again for PS4 players in late 2018.

"We... can confirm that the event was triggered while the nuke count hadn't reached zero," Konami said days after the false PC disarmament in 2018. "We would like to apologize for the inconvenience and reassure you that we will investigate the matter as well as take the necessary action to avoid this in the future."

Peace is the key?

Konami's confirmation could be more important than a simple pat on the back, too. That's because many players are convinced that in-game disarmament is the inciting event that will lead to new content being unlocked in the game.

The evidence for this theory is circ*mstantial but hard to ignore. Back in 2016, for instance, Konami Community Manager Robert Peeler pointedly said he'd "rather not stipulate on what, if anything, happens with nuclear disarmament." Peeler, who no longer works for Konami, recently tweeted that he's "[n]ot sure if/how Konami will celebrate, but if legit, that's great. Coming up on that 5th anniversary!"

Though MGSV only has two chapters, data miners have also found a title card for "Chapter 3: Peace" hidden in the game's files. Some have linked that to a series of three cryptic, three-themed tweets made by Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima back in 2016. While no actual "Chapter 3" content has been found hiding on the game disc, some suspect Konami may use a confirmed disarmament as the trigger to patch the content in.

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Such an obtuse, drawn-out method for unlocking DLC wouldn't be out of character for Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima, who is somewhat known for quirky gameplay experiments. "I think there is definitely something to the disarmament thing, otherwise Konami wouldn't have to 'investigate' it every time it triggered," Stefferp said.

TheHungHorse, for his part, thinks the actual trigger might involve disarming and then keeping the server disarmed for the length of the eight-minute cut scene that runs. Then, TheHungHorse suspects, there might be "a secret cut scene that plays instead of Ocelot telling you 'Welp, someone's making nukes again.'"

"For me personally, I just want answers to these questions. I want the age-old debate regarding MGSV's cut content to end once and for all," TheHungHorse continued. "For now, our next goal is to get the nukes to zero again but for a prolonged period of time in order to test a few things out... For now, though, we're all taking a break. We deserve it.

"Plus there have been other fans picking up where we left off since 'Peace Day,'" he added. "Glad to see this game being relevant again."

Promoted Comments

  • DOOManiac Ars Tribunus Militum

    My money is on absolutely nothing happening. Whatever they may have had planned went out the window when Kojima was outted. Konami is far too busy building slot machines to care about a game from 5 years ago...

  • Felix Aurelius Ars Praetorian et Subscriptor

    The concept of a meta-game like this is very much in Kojima's wheelhouse, and even if the planned results were cut due to time/budgetary concerns, I think he wouldn't be out of line to tell people what he had planned. I really like the social commentary that this sort of thing brings about, and it's absolutely in keeping with the vibe behind MGS.

    The sociopolitical commentary, with regards to hackers/cheaters, impossible or mystery nukes, coordinated selfish opposition, and a confused central body keeping track of it all, is left as an exercise for the reader.

The five-year quest to remove all nuclear weapons from Metal Gear Solid V (2024)

FAQs

The five-year quest to remove all nuclear weapons from Metal Gear Solid V? ›

Back in the summer of 2022, Metal Gear Solid 5 players accomplished the impossible: they all collectively decided to lay down their arms in the name of world peace. Their reward was a hidden cutscene that played confirming nuclear disarmament had been achieved, ushering in a new era.

How do you get the nuclear disarmament ending in MGSV? ›

Despite this, the Anti-Nuke Gang did manage to confirm that the Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain Nuclear Disarmament ending is unlocked when the total number of nukes on any given platform reaches zero by hacking the game. Unfortunately, it is very easy to do the opposite and use cheats to add more nukes.

What is the point of nukes in MGSV? ›

The player is eventually given the option to develop a nuclear weapon for their own Mother Base in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. Possessing a nuclear weapon acts as a deterrent by preventing some players from invading the owner's FOB.

Can you dispose of your own nuke MGSV? ›

After you build a nuke you can just dispose of it in the same Menu again. Nukes you stole from other players (with FOB Missions) wont' count! I can definitely verify that stealing a nuke from a rival's FOB and disposing of it counts towards the achievement now.

Has a Metal Gear ever launched a nuke? ›

This peaked with Metal Gear REX which was sophisticated enough to launch a nuke and hit a target from anywhere in the world. REX also had the distinction of being completely untraceable.

What is the hardest mission in MGSV? ›

Missions 40, 42, 45, 48 and 50. The R&D practice is the hardest for me. Funny thing is you can finish Mission 16 in about 4-5mins if you ride D-Horse over to the fence behind the truck, go in set off the cut scene. Walk up and fulton the truck then call D-Horse and get the hell out of there for an easy S-Rank.

Can you complete MGSV without killing? ›

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

Yes. You can't go without hurting someone, but you most certainly can go without killing anybody.

What happens if you take the nuke to South Knot? ›

Sam is unknowingly given a Small Thermonuclear Weapon by a disguised Higgs and contracted to deliver it to South Knot City. Should Sam enter the city or stray too far away from the package, it will detonate and result in a game over.

What does the Poseidon nuke do? ›

The Poseidon is intended to serve as response to U.S. withdrawal from the ABM treaty and to increase the Russian capability to overcome the U.S. missile defense systems, such as anti-ballistic missiles, etc. The Poseidon warhead can contaminate a large area with radiation.

Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapon? ›

Quotes. Vic Deakins : Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons? Vic Deakins : I just realized something. I never actually killed anyone before.

What happens if you shoot quiet MGSV? ›

MISSION NOTE: KILLING QUIET

Think twice before pulling the trigger! If you shoot, Quiet disappears and this will prevent specific story missions from occurring (plus you'll miss out on a useful Buddy)! To get her on the Mother Base roster, redo the mission and leave her alone when Miller gives the order to kill her.

How many accidental nuke drops? ›

Since 1950, there have been 32 nuclear weapon accidents, known as "Broken Arrows." A Broken Arrow is defined as an unexpected event involving nuclear weapons that result in the accidental launching, firing, detonating, theft, or loss of the weapon.

What is the penalty for killing in MGSV? ›

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

which one is better and do i get a penalty if i kill people? You lose heroism and you can turn into demon Snake.

Are there 6 missing nuclear weapons? ›

FARO, Wayne County — United States military leaders have admitted to losing six nuclear weapons since 1950. Unsealed documents show one is in the Mediterranean Sea, two are in the Pacific Ocean, two in the Atlantic Ocean and one is in Eastern North Carolina.

What is the strongest Metal Gear? ›

1 Metal Gear REX - Metal Gear Solid

In lore, it was designed by Granin, but built by Hal "Otacon" Emmerich. He thought it would be used for defense, using its machine guns and cannons to stop incoming missiles, then retaliating with its own anti-tank missiles, electron laser, and giant rail gun.

Could lost nukes detonate? ›

In these weapons, the conventional explosives in a bomb might go off, but they wouldn't detonate the radioactive material because this is squeezed out before it can be compressed.

How do you trigger Mission 43 MGSV? ›

To trigger this mission, Snake must complete THREE missions/Side Ops after the hijacking of Sahelanthropus from Mother Base. After the third mission is complete, Miller will call Snake and inform him of a new outbreak, which triggers a one-time-only cutscene of Snake deciding to handle the problem himself.

Does MGSV have multiple endings? ›

They say that before you embark on a journey of revenge, you should dig two graves. This is why Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain has two endings.

How do you get love deterrence in MGSV? ›

Love Deterrence: Head to Da Ghwandai Khar and search the building where you found Kazu Miller in Mission 01 to snag this tape. Love Will Tear Us Apart: This tape can be found inside the Afghanistan Central Base Camp. Maneater: Search the tent at the front of Lamar Khaate Palace to snag this collectible.

Can you get quiet back after killing her MGSV? ›

To get Quiet back in MGSV, players will need to complete Mission 11 seven times. During this mission, Snake has to fight Quiet in the desert ruins. When completed, players should make sure to spare Quiet like when she was recruited, and ignore Miller's requests to shoot her.

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